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А чем тогда является снос одной из жизней Берсеркера? Хотя ладно, в данном случае это скорее исключение, а поединки в Фейте это больная тема. Это должно быть понятно только в том случае, если знать, ч

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Ох, лол.    

Xaliuss
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@Maeghgorre, Я сейчас ВН читаю, и понимаю настолько загублена экранизация. Такое количество деталей, мотивации, характеристик, раскрытия персонажей, а осталось что-то полушкольное. И Широ выглядит там

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Fire In My Soul Community Regular

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ну а кто тогда злой? 

 

Райдер (относительно), Гильгамеш, Синдзи, все известные Хассаны, Кодзиро, and so on. Сакура, кстати, тоже вовсе не ангелочек, уж поверьте. Впрочем, не буду спойлерить. ^.^

 

 

Что касается мировоззрений... Не обращайте внимания. Насу в них просто не разбирается. Когда-то это даже побудило меня на создание демотиватора...

 

 

 

Кирей?

Он, в целом, не такой уж и злой. Он просто не понимает, что именно приносит ему счастье. В конце концов, он долгое время совершал вполне богоугодные дела.

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Он, в целом, не такой уж и злой

Ну, у Насу зло\добро в целом не очень то ярко выражено, так что он скорее в стане плохих парней ежели нет.

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Кстати, из какой арки бой Арчера с Берсеркором в этом ролике? В первой и второй арке вроде бой иначе показан в ТВ и мувике

Ролик - промо к аниме. Бой, судя по кладбищу, из ubw.

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Возрадуйтесь любители всё сокращать и вырезать. Вот вам мувик где всё вырезали и получился полтора часовой клип.

Я вчера таки дождался сабов и пожертвовав своим сном посмотрел. Честно,я всем доволен, мне такое развитие событий нравится больше, но вот почему так мало? Вырезали всё, что можно, не оставив места для объяснений поэтому происходящее на экране выглядит как набор кадров. Мне кажется, что для людей не смотревший сериал(про ВН я вообще молчу) будет тяжело понять фильм. Кстати главный герой здесь раздражает ещё больше. Поставлю 8/10 потому что я люблю эту вселенную и Арчер великолепен.

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И две экранизировали да?

Аха. Fate в сериале. Ну и сейчас UBW в фильме. Осталось Heavens Feel

 

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Heavens Feel Scenario Synopsis

 

A completely new character comes in to play in this story. It's Sakura's grandfather, Matou Zouken. When he saw Shinji's Rider lose to Saber, it seemed as if he wasn't interested in the War, but he summons the True Assassin Servant and leads a mysterious "Shadow". Caster lost her Master to be defeated by Saber. Lancer was defeated by Assassin with the help of the Shadow. Soon, even Saber is defeated! Even after losing her, Shirou doesn't want to quit the fight to stop the War and killing. He decides to cooperate with Rin and see how things go. For some reason Rider helps Shirou and we find out that's because Sakura was Rider's real Master. There is a worm inside her body that spreads through out her nervous system like a magical circuit, and if she doesn't fight in the War, it's going to cause her pain and eventually kill her. And in order to maintain her mana, she would be forced to take life energy out of others. Rin is determined to kill her real sister before she becomes a mass murderer. Shirou has to make the ultimate decision: To fight for justice and kill her or to deny his justice in order to save his important person. He decides to protect Sakura and separates with Rin.

 

Shirou decides to go see Ilya if she can help him fight Zouken. He meets Rin on the way and when they get there, Berserker is fighting Assassin, the Shadow... and a black Saber. There was no way Berserker could win 3 against 1 and he gets devoured by the Shadow. Archer is also critically wounded protecting Rin. Shirou was able to save at least Ilya, but he loses his left arm. With Rider's help they were able to escape. When Shirou wakes up, he finds out Archer gave him his arm before he died. Having both lost their Servants, Rin and Ilya comes to stay at Shirou's house. Their plan is to trace the magical sword of the teacher of Rin's ancestor, with the help of Archer's arm and Ilya. However, using Archer's arm causes extreme pain to Shirou and Ilya warns him that he won't be able to return if he uses it.

 

The Shadow who was killing people every night was Sakura, and she devours Gilgamesh. Shirou spoke with Zouken and he finds out Zouken implanted the Vessel of the Holy Grail from the previous War into Sakura's body as a worm, and that the Shadow is the content of the Holy Grail. And to make things worst, she was already out of Zouken's control from long ago. It is useless to kill Zouken, they can't kill the Shadow, and the Shadow will keep feeding on people. The only way to prevent any more people from getting killed is to kill Sakura. Once again, Shirou has to ask himself who he should save, but his choice from the beginning was to protect Sakura no matter what. However that means he's betraying the justice that he believed in all his life and he struggles. Because Sakura didn't want to put Shirou in so much pain, she goes to see Zouken by herself to try to put an end to this by herself. But when she killed Shinji, she realizes there is nothing to stop her and finally turns evil from her own will. She takes away Ilya to complete the Holy Grail.

 

With Kotomine's help, Shirou goes to save Ilya. While escaping, Shirou fights the Black Berserker and Kotomine fights Assassin. Kotomine was able to hold Assassin in his place and defeated Zouken directly by purifying his soul. But Kotomine is critically wounded by Sakura. Shirou released the power of his left arm and defeated Berserker, but that slowly starts to kill his body.

 

When they get back, Ilya explains to them what's going on. Since the 3rd War, the contents of the Holy Grail has been tainted, and that is what's about to appear from the completion of the Holy Grail. They plan on killing Sakura before the Holy Grail completes, but Shirou still believed that he can save Sakura. Hearing that answer from Shirou, Rider decides to help them as well. While they are doing that, Sakura has devoured Assassin and smashed the mother worm of Zouken.

 

The last battle takes place in a cave under the Ryudo Temple. This is the place the original ritual of the Holy Grail took place. Shirou and Rider helps each other to defeat Black Saber and Rin uses the weapon of her ancestor's teacher, Zelretch, to fight Sakura. In the opening when Rider and Saber's Noble Phantasm crashed, Shirou used the knife from Rin to finish Saber. Rin was fighting equally against Sakura using the weapon, but at the last moment, she hesitates to kill Sakura. Finding out her sister still loved her, Sakura realizes the mistake she's been making. Shirou drags his body that's falling apart to where they are and traces the Rule Breaker to release Sakura. The only thing left was to destroy the Grand Holy Grail before the evil existence is born, but Kotomine stands in Shirou's way. The two corpses fight, hand to hand. After Kotomine is defeated, Shirou was ready to do his last Tracing to destroy the Grand Holy Grail, but he knew he'll die if he does.

 

Heavens Feel has two endings. The Normal ending where Shirou sacrifices himself to destroy the Grand Holy Grail. Sakura waits for his return at his house. Because they promised to go see flowers when it became spring, Sakura grew flowers every year. Many years passes by and she grew old...

 

The 2nd ending is the good ending. Ilya appears in front of Shirou and sacrifices herself as the true Holy Grail to save Shirou and close the gate. Shirou was able to get a new body from a "Puppet Master", Sakura still has a great amount of mana left over but she is able to live together with him along with Rider, and Rin became a sorcerer at the Association.

 

Character Synopsis

 

Emiya Shirou

- Shirou in this scenario is different from the other two path in that he didn't choose a path to become a hero. He chose to save a single person that he loved over many that he doesn't know. He's been struggling with that decision throughout this scenario. Especially after he released Archer's powerful arm, his mind and body was falling apart. Archer was the one who chose to save that many, and although they were the same person, their power was different. Shirou couldn't control Archer's UBW and it was making swords inside his body instead of outside.

- It's been said in the previous scenarios, but Shirou's true sorcery is Imaging instead of Tracing, and that difference is apparent in this story. Although they are very similar, tracing just copies what exists, while imaging shapes his object from his mind. I think this allows him to raise his upper limit as much as his own will can handle. One of the advice from Archer in the 1st scenario was that his only enemy is himself, and throughout the game, he has been literally fighting himself. I think Shirou has been toughest yet in this story: during the battle against Black Berserker, he imaged Berserker's sword and strength, and killed him 9 times over in a matter of few seconds.

 

Matou Sakura

- Sakura was actually Rin's real sister. Shee was adopted by the Matou family, or formerly Makiri. Matou wanted a powerful successor that will carry on their sorcery, while Tohsaka chose Rin as the only successor and other siblings were out the way. (Again, a sorcerer's family only choose one successor) And since Tohsaka and Makiri were cooperators for the ritual of the Holy Grail, it went smoothly than it actually seems. Since then, she's been receiving extremely harsh training from Zouken and sexually abused by Shinji all this time.

- Although her life has been miserable, she''s been accepting it. She was finding a small happiness in being able to be with Shirou. She never hated her grandfather or brother either. If there was one person she hated, it was her sister. From her perspective, Rin took everything from her.. Not only her spot in the Tohsaka family, but even her memory with Shirou. When Shirou was running and jumping at the park, she was watching him too. She did get to have sex with Shirou multiple times, but her condition was so bad that it wasn't really helping her suppress her unwanted powers.

- After she controlled the shadow, her amounnt of mana was limitless. If you say Rin's mana is about 50, her mana was over a billion. However, the more she functioned as an holy grail, the more her personality as a human faded away. At the end, she realizes that Rin still loved her and that it was herself that was making things worse.

-The Matou family's area of research in sorccery is binding others, and Sakura combined that with Tohsaka's area of research which is like unknown quantity/imaginative numbers to control the Shadow.

 

Ilya

- Ilya was a Homunculus. A Homunculus is a mman-made human by combination of a sperm cell and other materials. They are physically weak, short, lack of intelligence in some areas, and have a short life. But they are very powerful when it comes to sorcery. Her body was made up of magical circuit and she is able to hold within her the spirits of the Servants. But in this scenario, most of the Servants, other than Archer who died close to her, was taken by Sakura.

- She was very sad through out this story beecause she knew she had a short life; Shirou said he wants protect her, but knew if he released Archer's arm, he won't be able to live; and if she used her power as an holy grail to save him, she will disappear. At the end, she functions as the true holy grail. She used her power to save/resurrect/recreate Shirou's soul.

- One of the last lines stated that she was a blood relative to Emiya Kiritsugu, and was actually a bit older than Shirou. She was a little sister to Shirou, but also his big sister.

 

Tohsaka Rin

- She is very helpful in this scenario as weell. Even though she always looked easy-going, she had her own issues. She had to live a life of a sorcerer, and that means to sacrifice a lot of things. It went as far a staking the responsibility as a successor of Tohsaka and killing her sister who she loved more than anyone else. It was already said that a sorcerer's life is harsh in the previous scenarios, but I couldn't really see that till I saw this. After she's gone to London, there's no doubt she would be an elite member of the Association.

 

Rider

- Her true name was Medusa. Her mask she hadd on all this time was to seal her powerful mystic eyes that turns her targets into stone. It is so powerful that even if the person doesn't look at her, or even if she doesn't concentrate, he or she will be petrified if they get within her viewing range. Her real master was always Sakura but because she yielded her Master's right to Shinji, Rider probably wasn't able to fight with her full strength till now. With Shirou's help, her Noble Phantasm came pretty close to Saber's Excalibur.

- She is actually a very loyal Servant. Sakuura's last order using the magical tattoo was telling Rider to protect Shirou whatever happens, and she followed that even after Sakura turned evil. Even after Sakura's magical tattoos were gone, she still wanted to help Sakura personally. She gets to live with Sakura at the end because there is no better way to user her left over abundant mana.

 

Saber

- She cannot be saved in this story. After sshe became the Black Saber controlled by the Shadow, there was no feelings towards Shirou. Getting an unlimited supply of mana from Sakura, she must have been her strongest out of all the scenario.

 

Archer

- They both started at the same point, but tthe moment Shirou chose to save a single person than many, they were different people. Even then, his existence won't be able to disappear because he already exists. Archer will continue to fight his lonely battle, forever.

- One of the things that was shown is that hheroic spirits aren't necessary "good". There are the good heroes like Saber, Berserker, and Lancer; while there are darker anti-heroes like Assassin, Caster, and Rider. Since Archer will kill people to save people, he is more towards the dark side.

 

Matou Zouken

- His real family name is Makiri, but changeed it to hide his identity. He is actually Matou's ancestor living for 200 years. He is a sorcerer known as a worm user. He controls these worms that eats human flesh. To preserve his immortality, his personality/spirit is transferred over to a worm, and he can take control over another human being by eating into them. He is a group of worms that keeps on exchanging bodies, but the mother worm was hidden within Sakura's body. He was planning to take over her body once the evil existence was born from the Holy Grail.

- He was desperate about living forever, andd even after Sakura smashed the mother worm's body, his spirit remained in the area. But when he saw Ilya in her Heaven's Dress, it made him remember Ilya's ancestor who he worked together. Back then, he had a dream of achieving a greater possibility of mankind by the completion of this ritual, but as time passed, his objective changed. Ironically one of the possibility in this ritual was immortality, but it changed from him wanting to attain it to actually wanting it for himself. When he remembered that, he gave up on his short life of 200 years and hoped that mankind will someday reach that state. He's an evil fellow who has been abusing Sakura since she was small, but that's his background story.

 

True Assassin

- He was summoned out of the other Assassin''s body. Hassan Sabbah is his true name. Hassan is said to be a leader of a religious group in the middle east, which became lawful assassins according to the legend. But their leaders changed down the generation. The spirit summoned as Assassin is one of these leaders, hiding his real identity with a mask and the name of Hassan Sabbah. His Noble Phantasm is similar to Lancer's which he directly aims for the heart with his modified right arm. When he was first summoned, his intelligence was incomplete, but took on a part of Lancer's personality when he killed him.

 

Berserker

- He was devoured by the Shadow. I think he was actually weaker when he was a brought back as Black Berserker. It seemed he lost his sight and hearing, power lowered by the Shadow's dark attribute because his divinity is high.

 

Kotomine Kirei

- He did a lot in this scenario. He sometimees helped Shirou while he sometimes got in his way, but his real goal was to have the evil existence born. We find out he has been struggling all his life. He knows what's good and evil, but he could only find pleasure in doing evil things. He knew good things are the right things to do as a human, but his personality tells him to do the opposite. . He tried to love a woman thinking it would change things, but it never did even though the woman was like an angel to him and sacrificed herself to let him know that he can still love someone. That last feeling that Kirei felt towards that woman was that he wanted to kill that woman by his own hands... He stopped thinking about it since then. The reason he wanted the evil existence to be born is because he wanted to see an answer to his own question. If a being is born without knowing what is good and evil, and if evil thing is what it wants to do, is that being truly evil...?

- He hated and was envy of Kiritsugu at the same time. Emiya Kiritsugu has been sacrificing his emotions as a human to do what he must. Kirei had no such emotions to sacrifice from the beginning.

- Kirei is revealed to be an exorcist of thee Church. His division is no where as powerful as Ciel's dangerous group, but still able to combat evil spirits and such. He uses the Black Key and Holy Spells. His true ability, however, is healing people. He has been treating Shirou and Sakura throughout the story. By the way, it said an advanced users of the Black Key only carry its hilt and creates a blade out of sorcery.

- He has been already dead in the previous WWar when he was shot by Kiritsugu, but the power of the tainted Holy Grail entered him through his Servant, and came back with a fake black heart.

- He loves hot and spicy Maabo Doufu/Ma-po DDou-fu (Chinese style Tofu and minced meat)

 

Emiya Kiritsugu

- A man who suppressed his emotions to save people. His weapon of choice were guns. After the Holy Grail was destroyed, he no longer needed to suppress his feelings, and that's probably why he saved the boy that he first saw. Since then, I think he was going out to all these different places to make up for what he's been doing. His body was wrecked when the tainted Holy Grail poured on him, and it eventually killed him.

 

Matou Shinji

- He is so helpless in this story. He has beeen sexually abusing Sakura since she was little, and got his head popped by her at the end. In his perspective, he got his spot taken as a successor by a stranger, so I can see how he's pissed but...

- He's been borrowing Rider from Sakura by mmaking a book out of her magical tattoo that made him Rider's Master. For that reason, Rider has been weak than she's suppose to be in the previous scenarios.

 

Zelretch

- He is indeed the same Zelretch in Tsukihimme. It has been said since the previous scenarios that Rin's ancestor had a teacher who taught him sorcery and that was actually Zelretch. Zelretch was a kind of person who took apprentices for fun, and Rin's ancestor was one of them. After Rin created his weapon, the jewel sword Zelretch, he made a short appearance when he congratulated Rin for recreating his weapon. This shows his personality because sorcerers are suppose to hide their sorcery from others.

- Zelretch's Jewelry Magic is also revealed in this story. A jewelry makes multiple reflections of light, and he is able to access the multiple side of this world, in other words, the parallel world. Each world is similar or different to others, and there are infinite numbers of them. Zelretch has been always traveling across these parallel worlds for leisure. That's why he literally appeared in front of Rin, and used a weird word like "summoned to" in Arcueid's birth ceremony in Tsukihime. (prologue DVD artbook). His sword has this power but with a smaller scale. It has a capability to make a small opening to another parallel world and pull out mana from that world and use it to attack. There are infinite parallel worlds, so the supply of mana is infinite. That's how Rin fought with the infinite amount of mana that Sakura has. Even though there are a lot of mana in the nature environment, it'll be gone if you use it. So another way to put it, it's like saying in a RPG that you can keep on using the strongest magic that you're only suppose to be able to use it once.

 

The Truth of the War of the Holy Grail

 

It began 200 years ago when the ancestors of Einzbern, Tohsaka, and Makiri got together under the supervision of Zelretch. They were performing a ritual which summoned powerful spirits, and by using its power, open a gate to the root of all things. It's goal was to attain the Third Magic, materialization of a soul. With its power, things like immortality and resurrection was suppose to be possible. However, a fight broke out between the three members over its possession. Since then, they created the rule of the Masters and Servants so the winner will achieve it by force. But the Holy Grail failed to complete every time. In the third War, the Einzberns summoned something they weren't suppose to as a Servant. It was Angra Mainyu (or more commonly, Ahriman), a spirit that became the "everything evil in this world". That was the thing that tainted the Holy Grail. The 4th Holy Grail was destroyed by Kiritsugu, and the 5th one was finally completed by Ilya.

 

The reason they can only have it every so often is because there is a certain time when the gate will open. The 1st one took place at Ryudo Temple, then the Tohsaka household, the Church on the hill, the burnt open field, then back to the Ryudo temple again on the 5th. The Einzberns who's been trying to attain the Holy Grail for 1000 years, asked Tohsaka, the land lord sorcerer of this city, for their land because it was the 2nd best mystical location in Japan (The 1st is Aozaki's) They chose an far east country so the Association's eyes won't reach. Tohsaka invited Makiri thinking it would prevent a fight from breaking out with just two, but the result was like this...

 

ну и Атараксия. А из скольки арок состоит Атараксия не знаю

 

вопросик к игравшим в новеллу. Fate hollow ataraxia является продолжением какой арки?

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Keiyakusha, ну вот не знаю. Мне не нужно, чтобы была прям кактусово-слезоточивая драма, но в этот раз я аниме даже сохранять на винте не захотел. Хотя я сохранил даже столь нелюбимое мной Аой Хана, ибо вынес что-то для себя из него... а это - пустое, что ли.

имхо, конечно. Никого обидеть не хочу

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Koterrr, суть в хорошей атмосфере. ДРАМА ни к чему.

Вы глубоко ошибаетесь. "Fate" - единственный из всех сценариев, у которого нет хорошей концовки (ну, мы же не будем считать таковой Last Episode?). И да, в конце там именно ДРАМА.

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А альтернативные концовки дают за правильный набор решений в диалогах, или за повторное прохождение?

 

Насколько я помню, все необходимые выборы для альтернативных концовок доступны изначально, к тому же существует два способа выйти на нормальную концовку HF, так что да, просто правильный набор решений, а особо ярые фанаты Сейбер, нелюбители Илии, или просто излишне воинственно настроенные читатели могут получить альтернативную концовку даже раньше основной, если, конечно, доживут до финала. У представителей второй и третьей категории шансы на это особо не велики.

Но вот в той же Цукихиме ситуация уже была немного другой, и выборы необходимые для 2 из 4 альтернативных концовок открывались только после получения основных.

 

вот только обидно что этого момента не показали. вообще бой первый Арчера с Берсеркером каким то урезанным показался.

 

И не должны были. Этот бой в ролике воспринимать стоит лишь как фантазию на тему боя с Берсеркером из УБВ. Бой в фильме намного точнее следует оригиналу. Разумеется можно без особого труда и напряжения памяти составить целый список изменённых, упрощённых или вовсе вырезанных моментов, но при всём этом он является одним из тех трёх боёв, которые если и проигрывают оригиналу, то ненамного.

Претензии тут можно предъявлять разве что к тому, что в данном варианте событий осталось непонятно, что произвело на Илию такое впечатление, что она решила прекратить бой. Ну и что такого в том, что Арчер разнёс кладбище: для Слуг в этом нет ничего выходящего за рамки возможного.

Но тут следует упомянуть, что Арчер для этой цели взорвал один из фантазмов, что при обычных обстоятельствах делать крайне не рекомендуется, ибо хрен его потом восстановишь. Собственно, как раз то, что Арчер без особых колебаний откровенно транжирит своё оружие, и удивило всех наблюдавших за этой сценой.

Но это так, на правах небольшой справки.

 

Но ведь Слуги намного сильнее Мастеров.Можно ведь и так - "не дашь праны - потеряешь жизнь" ну или чтойто в таком роде.

Тут к уже сказанному следует добавить, тем более что случай с Кастер как раз упоминался, что главная функция Мастеров отнюдь не играть роль батарейки: трое из Мастеров в этом плане практически бесполезны, а быть своеобразным якорем, удерживающим в мире существ, не принадлежащих этому времени.

В этом как раз и облажалась Кастер, считая что раз она маг, то может обеспечить себя всем необходимым сама, оставшись без мастера в безлюдном месте с минимальным шансом встретить кого-то за оставшееся ей время.

Так же это проясняет то, зачем Кастер пришлось извращаться с призывом Ассассина, что с одной стороны позволило ему пережить её на некоторое время, но с другой не позволяет покинуть пределы горы, о чём мельком упоминалось в фильме.

Кстати главный герой здесь раздражает ещё больше.

 

Господи, что на этот то раз? Всё таки, кхм, несколько черезмерная забота о Себер, которая в фейтовской ветке порой раздражала, тут, по понятным причинам, практически отсутствует.

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